S.2248 - FISA (All Amendment and Debate Links)
The Senate will open at 2:00 p.m. and move directly to S.2248, FISA. An unrelated
cloture vote will be conducted at 5:30 p.m., to limit debate on moving to proceed
to H.R.5140, the
House-passed economic stimulus package.
Obviously, with a grand total of 14 hours of debate time being allocated, plus a parliamentary
interruption to move economic stimulus along, FISA won't be sent to the House by the end of today,
probably not by the end of tomorrow, and maybe not before the end of the week.
The cloture motion to cause the cloture vote noted below is yet to be filed, and any Senator
has the right to insist on the Senate Rule XXII
time periods: 1 day layover between filing the cloture motion and taking the cloture vote (this
would be squared by filing a cloture motion today); plus 30 hours after the cloture motion passes
before voting to pass the final bill. While they have a right to, I doubt Senator Dodd or Feingold
will force the 30 hour delay after the cloture motion passes.
The above was composed on Monday, February 4th. Other than the references to the economic stimulus
cloture vote, it's groundhog day on February 11th. Same time, same subject, same ultimate outcome.
Final passage of FISA will probably occur late Tuesday, February 12th.
July 9, 2008: H.R.6304 Amendment and Vote Summary
S.2248 Amendment and Vote Summary
(page references are to formal print version of S.Amdt.3911)
- 8 Amendments that pass or are tabled on majority votes
Bond 3941 (20 minutes) sets out the FISC standard of review and time limits for telecom objections to
acquisition directives (On page 13, between lines 2 and 3 -- assignment of a petition filed under subparagraph (A))
PASSED Feb 7, 2008 at 18:22, on a voice vote.
Bond 3938 (20 minutes) creates new categories of target, "engages in the international proliferation of
weapons of mass destruction, or activities in preparation therefor" and defines WMD [interesting read -
my interpretation is that international trafficking in hand-grenades would qualify as an event of international
proliferation of WMD: (p) `Weapon of mass destruction' means--"(1) any destructive device (as such term is defined
in section 921 of title 18, United States Code)
that is intended or has the capability to cause death or serious bodily injury to a significant number of people]
PASSED Feb 12, 2008, on voice vote
Feingold 3907 (2 hours) is "Strike Title II"
REJECTED Feb 12, 2008 at 11:03, on a
31-67 vote (Bayh, Carper, Conrad, Feinstein, Inouye, Johnson, Kohl, Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, McCaskill, Mikulski,
Nelson (FL), Nelson (NE), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar, Stabenow and Webb voted NAY.
Clinton and Graham did not vote)
Specter/Whitehouse 3927 (2 hours) substitutes the government for telecoms in civil suits
REJECTED Feb 12, 2008 at 11:44, on a
30-68 vote (Baucus, Bayh, Biden, Carper, Conrad, Dodd, Dorgan, Feinstein, Inouye, Johnson, Klobuchar,
Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, Mikulski, Murray, Nelson (NE), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar and Tester voted NAY.
Specter voted AYE. Clinton and Graham did not vote)
Feingold 3913 (40 minutes) tightens grounds for transferring "foreign intelligence initiated" acquisition
to criminal justice system by inserting "significant purpose" at four appropriate locations. It inhibits
or prohibits a practice referred to as "reverse targeting."
- On page 6, line 6
- On page 7, line 7
- On page 9, between lines 9 and 10
- On page 17, line 2
REJECTED Feb 7, 2008 at 18:17, on a
38-57 vote (Feinstein, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, Pryor, Rockefeller and Salazar voted NAY.
Clinton, Obama, McCain, Dorgan, and Nelson (NE) did not vote)
Feingold 3912 (40 minutes) inserts "significant purpose" at one location (page 10 between lines 5 and 6).
The function of this is to inhibit or prohibit "bulk collection" of international communications.
REJECTED Feb 12, 2008 at 11:22, on a
37-60 vote (Bayh, Carper, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, Mikulski, Nelson (FL), Nelson (NE), Pryor,
Rockefeller and Webb voted NAY.
Clinton, Craig and Graham did not vote)
Feingold 3915 (40 minutes) empowers the FISC to order the government to either correct deficiencies or cease acquisition,
if a subsection (f) certification is deficient
REJECTED Feb 7, 2008 at 17:46, on a
40-56 vote (Bayh, Carper, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, Lieberman, Pryor, and Rockefeller voted NAY.
Clinton, Obama, McCain and Nelson (NE) did not vote)
Feingold/Webb 3979 (90 minutes) [See, e.g., Feingold/Dodd 3955
which prohibits the use of evidence obtained in searches, if the searches were not performed in accordance
with the statute]
REJECTED Feb 12, 2008 at 10:43, on a
35-63 vote (Bayh, Carper, Conrad, Feinstein, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, Levin, Lieberman, Lincoln, Mikulski,
Nelson (FL), Nelson (NE), Pryor, and Rockefeller voted NAY.
Clinton ahd Graham did not vote)
- 4 Amendments that require 60 votes to pass
Feinstein 3919 (2 hours) removes the pending civil litigation pertaining to the TSP to the FISC and defines the
standard of review leading to dismissal
REJECTED Feb 12, 2008 at 12:01, on a
41-57 vote (Carper, Dodd, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, Lieberman, Menendez, Nelson (NE), Pryor, and Rockefeller voted NAY.
Clinton and Graham did not vote)
Cardin 3930 (60 minutes) is an approximate 4 year sunset for the procedure to obtain new orders (Dec 31, 2011)
REJECTED Feb 6, 2008 at 15:42, on a
Whitehouse 3920 (60 minutes) empowers the FISC to conduct compliance reviews as to performance under
subsections (k)(1), (k)(2), and (k)(3) [I'm guessing these define minimization] relating to acquisition,
retention, or dissemination; and authorizes FISC to assert remedies to enforce compliance
PASSED Feb 12, 2008, on a voice vote.
Feinstein 3910 (90 minutes) is an attempt to match the president's Article II power with "exclusive means"
REJECTED Feb 12, 2008 at 10:18, on a
57-41 vote (Lieberman, Nelson (NE) voted NAY. Collins, Craig, Hagel, Smith, Snowe, Specter, Sununu and Voinovich voted AYE.
Clinton and Graham did not vote)
- Passage of a manager's amendment
- Cloture vote on passage of the bill [Tuesday afternoon] (cloture motion filed Friday, February 8)
PASSED Feb 12, 2008 at 12:18, on a
69-29 vote (Baucus, Bayh, Carper, Casey, Conrad, Feinstein, Inouye, Johnson, Kohl, Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, McCaskill,
Mikulski, Nelson (FL), Nelson (NE), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar, and Webb voted AYE.
Clinton and Graham did not vote)
- Vote on final passage [After 5 p.m. Tuesday]
PASSED Feb 12, 2008 at 17:54, on a
(Baucus, Bayh, Carper, Casey, Conrad, Inouye, Johnson, Kohl, Landrieu, Lieberman, Lincoln, McCaskill, Mikulski,
Nelson (FL), Nelson (NE), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar, Webb and Whitehouse voted AYE.
Clinton, Graham and Obama did not vote)
There will NOT be a Conference Committee
After passage, the contents of S.2248 are substituted for the House's bill, H.R.3773, the RESTORE Act,
and the Senate bill will be sent to the House in the vehicle of H.R.3773. The Senate has formally signaled
that it will not request a conference with the House, to resolve differences. At this point of the
process on the FISA bill, a conference request is premature because the House has yet to weigh in on
the Senate's proposed legislation. While the two bills are different, the formality of disagreement is
presently absent. See Riddicks - Conferences
and Conference Reports, in particular pp 467-8, which describe the interaction between both chambers.
Looking ahead, neither chamber has an obligation to agree to a request for a conference, even if the
other chamber makes such a request. Further auguring against a conference committee ever coming into being,
insistence on its amendment and requesting a conference is a debatable motion in the Senate. Being debatable
invokes the possibility of delay due to objection to voting, cloture, etc.
On the possibility that my "there will be no conference" prediction is in error, one might review the details
of precedence of motions relating to matters passing between the two chambers. This parliamentary procedure is
described in Riddicks Rules: Amendments
While the debate on FISA is sure to generate some heat, I think the outcome is foregone. For purposes
of this page, I'm thinking to insert vote results in the list above rather than create a running commentary.
The substantive debate will be repetitive of points previously asserted.
--- Economic Stimulus Bill ---
Recovery Rebates and Economic Stimulus for the American People Act of 2008
WH Policy Statement (calls for passage without amendment)
Jan 31, 2008: S.Amdts. 3973-76, 78
Feb 5, 2008: S.Amdts. 3980-87
Feb 6, 2008: S.Amdts. 3989-4008
Feb 7, 2008: S.Amdts. 4009-11
Jan 29, 2008:
Jan 30, 2008:
Part I -
Part II -
Jan 31, 2008:
Part I -
Part III -
Feb 4, 2008:
Part I -
Part II (commingled with FISA)
Feb 5, 2008:
Leaders (commingled with FISA) -
Part III -
Live Quorum -
Part VI (& FISA debate agreement) -
Fill the Tree
Feb 6, 2008:
Feb 7, 2008:
Corker & Part II -
The parliamentary procedure for "take it or leave it," or "passing without opportunity for amendment,"
is "filling the amendment tree." Senator Reid followed this controversial method with "the farm bill,"
and with the "clay
pigeon process on S.1639 - Comprehensive Immigration Reform."
I seriously doubt amendments will be frozen out. But that's what Senator McConnell is advocating
on the economic stimulus bill - to pass the House bill unamended, because it's known the WH will agree
with it unamended, and amending it introduces a risk of veto. It's essentially the same position
taken with regard to FISA "modernization."
--- 14:10 ---
Whitehouse, Cardin and Feingold amendments to come up this afternoon. Senator Reid expects
to finish the [FISA] bill tomorrow, voting on three amendments tonight.
Then, tomorrow morning, Dodd/Feingold stripping of Title II; Specter/Whitehouse substitution; and
Feinstein's exclusivity amendment -- or whatever contentious amendments remain after tonight.
He said there was no time agreement on the Feinstein amendment, but the clerk's record of the UC
agreement (printed on the calendar) says 90 minutes. After contentious amendments are handled,
he sees the path to passage as routine business.
He describes the economic stimulus package in general terms, with a focus on foreclosures and
energy costs. He rants about the economy under the Bush administration, job creation mostly.
14:15: Senator Reid is going to bring a substitute amendment in place of the House economic
stimulus bill, where the substitute contains material inserted by the Senate Finance Committee. He
lists as one item it will include: LIHEAP. He's also anticipating a conference committee on this bill.
I agree, there will be one for this, because there are a number of items that can be horse traded.
The Senate bill is a "Cadillac package."
14:17: Senator McConnell touts the budget proposed by President Bush. Some back and forth
between he and Senator Reid on the subject of the budget.
14:25: Senator Bond will be one of the floor managers. First amendment up is Whitehouse
3920. At 15:03, Senator Whitehouse reserved the balance of his debate time. I don't know if
this is "effective," usually quorum time or other events are used to eat up debate time.
15:03: Next up is Feingold 3979. This is the sequestration amendment, the text of which
will be in today's record, published tomorrow. [
Link to Text of S.Amdt.3979]
15:27: Senator Tester describes sequestration as a RETENTION of the acquired communications,
but imposing additional showings by the government before the NSA could turn over acquisitions
that do NOT represent foreign intelligence information.
15:39: Senator Feingold reserves the balance of time for debate on #3979.
15:59: Senator Rockefeller sets out a UC request for the 10 minutes ahead of the cloture
vote on the motion to proceed to the economic stimulus package. And now he seeks clarification
as to how time will be charged if/when Senators speak "as if in morning business."
16:02: Senator Cardin calls up #3930.
16:18: Senator Cardin "I understand the president would prefer no sunset to this legislation.
Heck, he'd prefer there is no Congress!"
Senator Rockefeller again refers to parliamentary timekeeping issues, and asks consent to
set the pending amendment aside so off-topic speeches can be made. There is no objection.
Senator Bond is against the sunset provision. He says its the responsibility of the Intelligence
Committee to keep an eye on the legislation and fix it in a timely fashion. Where was the repair back
in 2001? Why didn't the Intelligence Committee do its job and keep FISA in pace with technology?
--- Economic Stimulus ---
The cloture motion on the motion to proceed to H.R.5140
PASSED on a
Voting Nay: Coburn, Corker, Hagel and Shelby
Not Voting: Biden, Byrd, Chambliss, Clinton, DeMint, Domenici, Dorgan, Graham,
Gregg, Kennedy, Kerry, Lieberman, McCain, Obama, Vitter and Wicker
18:02: Senator Reid (I'm coming in mid-rant) noting passage of the cloture motion on the
motion to proceed to the economic stimulus package, and further noting that the GOP is
insisting on 30 hours of debate before voting on the motion to proceed. "The GOP is filibustering."
Well, if 30 hours constitutes insurmountable delay.
18:05: Senator McConnell - "If we do nothing tomorrow, it will be like Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday
last we when we couldn't get a vote." Ha. That takes balls, GOP objections was the reason amendments
and votes didn't come up last week Tuesday , Wednesday and Thursday.
18:08: Senator Reid is calling McConnell out on last week's delays. The leaders are frustrated with
each other. Reid brings up the delay on Indian Health Care and lays that at the feet of the GOP.
"No, we had to work on the president's 'need to spy.'"
So, no, we could not do anything on Indian health, we could not do it on the energy
package, until we got an agreement on FISA. It is obvious what is being done here. The
Republicans are trying on FISA to do what they did last August. Even though the President
has been forced to extend this for 15 days, they now want to do what they did in August:
Stall it until the last day so we are forced to do something here and send it to the House
so the House has no time to do anything about it.
19:00: A procedural stalemate in hand, with the GOP insisting on 30 hours of post-cloture debate,
and that time ostensibly for the motion to proceed to economic stimulus, the GOP wants to delay FISA
and stay on the subject of economic stimulus. The DEMs have been pwnded. Here is the relevant UC agreement:
That at 5:30 p.m. on Monday, February 4, 2008, the Senate vote on the motion to invoke cloture
on the motion to proceed to H.R. 5140. Ordered further, That the adoption of a motion to proceed to H.R.
5140 ... not displace any pending measures.
Oops. Forgot to handle the vote on the motion to proceed. The 30 hours of post-cloture debate can
be addressed (cut out of the parliamentary process) by language in a UC agreement. E.g., insert:
... that if cloture is invoked, the motion then be adopted ...
There is always Saturday. Senator Reid stated that he's not opposed to voting on FISA amendments
tomorrow, because, as far as he can tell, none of those votes are close.
UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST--S. 2248
Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that following morning business
Tuesday, February 5, the Senate resume the FISA legislation, then proceed to a vote in
relation to the four amendments that were debated today, with 2 minutes between each vote
equally divided, and that on the disposition of those amendments, the Senate continue to
consider amendments in order to the FISA legislation and that all time consumed during that
debate count postcloture.
Mr. KYL. Mr. President, for the reasons I expressed with the majority leader a moment
ago in our colloquy [Senators absent from the Senate can't weigh in - this is a BS objection,
UC agreements happen while McCain is on the campaign trail], I must object at this time.
20:45: Senator Sanders does not object to congratulating the NY Giants.
20:48: Senator Sanders adjourns the Senate until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. An hour of
morning business, followed by resumption of consideration of the motion to proceed to H.R.5140,
economic stimulus package.
Senator Reid intends to ask consent to proceed to consideration of FISA, notwithstanding the pending
motion to proceed to the consideration of the economic stimulus bill, and advises Senators to be available
for roll call votes.
... tomorrow we can come in, people can talk about the stimulus package all they want,
and set a time certain on Wednesday to vote. That would save me having to file cloture on
it either tonight or tomorrow night, which will happen. If I file it tomorrow night, the
vote [cloture vote to limit debate before final passage of the stimulus package] will have to be
Senate legislative calendar, the term of art is "unfinished business."
MOTION TO PROCEED TO CONSIDER H.R. 5140 (ORDER NO. 566)
. . . . . . .
UNANIMOUS CONSENT AGREEMENTS
H.R. 5140 (ORDER NO. 566)
1.--Ordered, That on Tuesday, February 5, 2008, upon the conclusion
of Morning Business, the Senate resume consideration of the motion to
proceed to H.R. 5140
"Order No." is a reference to a unanimous consent order. Order No. 566 has morphed radically from its printing in
the February 4 Senate legislative calendar.
Order No. 566 no longer recites "That the adoption of a motion to proceed to H.R.5140 ... not displace any
pending measures." Taken on its face, the current order nominally puts the entirety of handling H.R.5140 ahead of
resumption of FISA -- the adoption of the motion to proceed to H.R.5140 could displace the previously pending
FISA debate. I say "nominally," because UC and leader prerogative give wide latitude to choose which bills
will be pending, and the order of taking them up. See S.1200, the Indian Health Care bill, which is also listed
as "Pending," but which is obviously set aside and is obviously unfinished. The power of individual Senators
is to slow, delay, and force 60 vote margins in the context of the bills and amendments put before them.
Feingold 3915 (empowers FISC to issue orders to enforce FISA "targeting" provisions)
Cardin 3930 (4 year sunset)
Feingold 3979 (sequestration)
Whitehouse 3920 (FISC given discretion to review compliance with its orders)
I think Senator Durbin's prediction that today will be a "wasted day," time filler, no votes on FISA, etc.
is correct. The GOP is objecting to acting, as they have the right to do.
And now, a brief partisan political comment. GO ROMNEY!
I have a few thousand positions at TradeSports (in the play area, not breaking the Federal Nanny law that
protects state and state sanctioned gambling (and the Vegas mob) forbids online gambling), bought at 7.4,
that Romney will be the GOP nominee.
[12:15 note: Rush Limbaugh is reading Dole's "endorsement," and outs McCain as a liar. Again. Heheheh.]
At HowAppealing: "Lawyers Fighting D.C. Gun Ban
Argue Against Militia Focus," including a link to the brief for Heller. The brief calls for
review to be conduced under "strict scrutiny." The standard of review advocated by the administration
is "rational purpose." It's a good brief. I'll convert to plaintext on request.
Finally, there is no logic to Petitioners' extraordinary claim that gun control "is the most important
power of self-protection" for the seat of government. Pet. Br. 38. The District Clause, after all, allows
Congress to "[erect] Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dockYards and other needful Buildings." U.S. CONST. art.
I, § 8, cl. 17. Congress surely has the power to regulate firearms in Washington; but if Congress felt that
disarming Americans at home were necessary for its security, it might have attempted to do so in the first
177 years of the city's service as the seat of government. As recent history demonstrates, those who
would attack our capital are hardly deterred by Petitioners' ban on handguns and functional firearms in the home.
At SCOTUSblog: "U.S.
plans swift new appeal on detainees," on the confluence of the Boumediene and Bismullah cases in the
Supreme Court. Also ...
Some briefs are coming due in the Circuit Court in the pending detainee cases there, and
the government said it needs to delay those filing deadlines while it moves to the Supreme
Court with the new test case in the Bismullah/Parhat litigation.
-- 10:05 --
Senator Reid asks UC to be recognized after the hour of morning business.
Senator McConnell says the public probably wonders why Congress is still debating economic stimulus.
He is advocating passing the House bill unamended.
Same old finger pointing routine.
Senator McConnell is counting on public confusion regarding the difference between a cloture motion on
a motion to proceed, and a cloture motion on passing a bill. The GOP is stalling the taking up, on the basis
of not having read the bill -- but see myriad occasions where complex bills and amendments are taken up
and sometimes passed -- the typical place to object to the contents of a bill (especially as
unknown) is AFTER it is taken up, and before the vote on adoption.
Senator Reid calls the Bush administration "Orwellian." And later says that McConnell is also
speaking in Orwellian tongue. I notice that Reid's characterizing of a McConnell argument as "shallow"
appears in the Record, as is his apology for using that word, and his statement that he would ask to have
10:41: Senator Cornyn is saying that delay in voting is due to Democrat objection. He wonders
why the House version of economic stimulus isn't just taken up and passed, given the 80-4 vote yesterday.
Heheh. It's not being taken up, because the GOP objects to voting on the motion to proceed. He too is
counting on public confusion on the difference between "motion to proceed" and "vote to adopt." The public
hears "cloture" and LEAPS to the conclusion, "on a vote to adopt the bill."
-- 11:35 --
11:21: Senator Reid comes to the podium at the conclusion of morning business, and suggests the absence of a quorum.
11:24: He opens with a recapitulation of last evening's tit-for-tat, particularly on the economic stimulus
package out of the Finance Committee.
11:32: Reid asks to conduct a cloture vote on the Finance Committee bill on Wednesday at 6:00 p.m. Senator
McConnell asks the request be modified to proceed to "the bill" today. He also asks for consideration
of a GOP alternative amendment. Senator Reid is trying to protect Clinton, Obama right to be present for
votes on economic stimulus. I'll have to replay and study the UC requests in more detail before giving
some sort of informed summary.
11:37: Reid just made a "live" quorum call. The Senate has the right (duty, actually) to compel attendance
if a quorum is not present to conduct business. See
Senate Rule VI for the procedure.
11:59: Motion to instruct attendance
passed 73-12. That's 15 absent Senators. Senator Reid says (again) he will file a cloture motion on the
Finance Committee's bill. If conducted under the rules, that vote will be Thursday morning, unless the GOP
agrees to take that vote sooner. [Where is the cloture motion on final passage of the FISA Bill?
Search Congressional Record - since Jan 31]
He requests the Senate proceed to debate FISA today. There are 6 hours of debate scheduled on Title II, and
there is no reason to not conduct that today. He would like to vote on the 4 amendments currently pending as
well. He asks UC to take up FISA and vote on the amendments in order, with votes to be scheduled on consent,
and time consumed to be charged also against the 30 hours of post-cloture time under the debate on the
motion to proceed on economic stimulus.
Senator McConnell admits the GOP is using delay on FISA as a lever to obtain ground on the economic stimulus bill,
and objects to debating and voting on FISA, i.e., on the grounds that the DEMs haven't given assurances as to how
the economic stimulus package will be presented to the Senate.
I think the point has been well
made by the 49 Republican Senators over the last year or so that our rights are going to be
respected; that we are going to move forward on bipartisan bills, such as both of these, in
a way that is respectful to both sides, and as soon as we have an understanding about how
we are going to go forward on the stimulus package, then we will be able to make progress
on this bill.
12:30: The Senate is in recess until 14:15. The focus on advancing the economic stimulus package, in
combination with an ABSENCE of a PLANNED cloture motion to conclude debate on FISA and move it to final passage,
indicates to me that both parties are in on a plan to delay passage of FISA, so as to limit the amount of time the
House has to debate it, and to create a fiction that will feed the story line, "not enough time for a conference."
As discussed above, conference was out anyway, and the two chambers usually resolve differences WITHOUT a conference.
The fiction has one function -- to bamboozle the public. Sad to say, it works, it works ggggrrrrRRRRREAT!
FISA, on a fast track, would have been passed tomorrow. On a regular track, it would pass Thursday morning. If
a cloture motion on final passage had been filed yesterday (so its ripening would coincide with conclusion of debate
on amendments), that cloture vote would have been on Thursday morning. If Dodd or Feingold insisted on 30 hours
of post-cloture debate from there, FISA would pass, at the latest, Friday afternoon.
Well, there's no cloture motion, progress is not on a fast track, not on a normal track, and not on a track
that accounts for the possibility of insistence on 30 hours of post-cloture debate on final passage of FISA.
In fact, I've not heard or found any mention whatsoever, that involves the filing of a cloture motion to limit
debate on final passage of FISA. [Search
Congressional Record - since Jan 31]
In hindsight, another tell that "delay is being wrought by both parties in the Senate" is Reid's "error"
in saying there is no time agreement on the Feinstein amendment, but that the Senate will "work through that."
He's telegraphing yet another potential excuse for not passing FISA out of the Senate this week.
Finally, the erasure from the UC agreement (#566), of "motion to proceed to HR 5140 will not displace any pending
measures," with that erasure coming out of sight of floor action (but sure as shooting being visible in the
legislative calendars) is a tell that the Senate may well keep HR 5140 on the floor once the motion to proceed to
it has been adopted. In short, it's permissible under the modified UC, for adoption of the motion to proceed to
HR 5140 to displace FISA. That was not possible under UC #566 as originally entered into.
That's my reading of tea leaves -- subject to being in error, of course.
-- 15:10 --
Debate today is persisting on economic stimulus. Senators Rockefeller, Murray and Mikulski spoke on the subjects
of the economy and President Bush's budget.
A thought-provoking article at National Security Advisors:
Do We Already Have a "National Security Court"? - Steve Vladeck. The article probes
the terms of the Military Commissions Act, its personal and subject matter jurisdiction, and asks
(without analysis) good questions about potential constitutional ramifications.
-- 16:15 --
Senator Reid has been waiting for an hour for a Republican to come to the floor so he can offer a UC request.
The UC request is to offer amendments for debate, but not to have votes. Senator Reid says that President
Bush has issued a veto threat on the FISA bill, today (actually, the letter comes from Mukasey and DNI
McConnell). He doesn't offer the UC request. Other than the letter from Mukasey and McConnell, says Reid,
he's heard nothing from the Republicans on the FISA subject.
--- FISA ---
16:19: Reid's speech pried Senator McConnell out. Senator Reid propounds his UC request to take up
S.2248, and to take up and debate several amendments (Feingold 3912, Feingold 3913, Feingold/Dodd 3907).
Senator McConnell will agree with taking up and debating these amendments. He says that a majority of the
GOP caucus would like to have been voting on FISA amendments today. He rejected exactly that request, this
16:50: The Senate resumes consideration of FISA with Feingold's No. 3913. It's generally on the
subject of "reverse targeting."
16:56: Senator Feingold reserves his time on #3913, and calls up amendment No. 3912. This is generally
on the subject of "bulk collection" of communications.
17:25: Senator Dodd calls up amendment No. 3907, indicates that he intends to use only 10 or 15 minutes
of that time then reserve the balance of his time for tomorrow. This amendment bumps directly into a veto
threat that came out about the same time the demand for retroactive immunity was announced, April 2007..
Veto Threat for Proposed Spy Laws - Lara Jakes Jordan (AP)
"It is for Congress, not the courts, to make the public policy decision whether to grant
liability protection to telecommunication companies who are being sued simply because they
are alleged to have assisted the government in the aftermath of the September 11th
attacks," Mukasey and McConnell wrote.
Nothing about the privacy statute, and nothing about repealing the privacy statute on a forward-looking
basis. Shouldn't "assisting the government," regardless of the government request and any countervailing
statute, result in absence of legal recourse?
17:55: Senator Bond rebuts, then moves to introduce amendments 3938 and 3941 as modified. A brief
interruption as Senator Cantwell is being given 15 minutes to speak on an unrelated subject. The Senate returns
to debate of FISA at 18:13.
Senator Kyl has today's letter from Mukasey and DNI McConnell entered into the Congressional Record.
Marcy Wheeler is hosting a PDF rendition at
FISA Debate Liveblog. Quorum call starts at 18:24 with no time charged to FISA. The 30 hour post-cloture
clock is still running against the motion to proceed to economic stimulus.
--- Economic Stimulus ---
19:04: Senator Reid asks for the vote on the motion to proceed to HR 5140. The motion was adopted on a
voice vote. He asks for the consideration of S.Amdt.3983, and asks for the yeas and nays. He files a cloture
motion to limit debate on S.Amdt.3983. He then calls for S.Amdt.3984, to "fill the tree." He then moves to
commit the bill to the Committee on Finance, with instructions to report back forthwith with an amendment #3985,
he asks for yeas and nays on this, an amendment #3986 to the instructions of the motion to commit, and finally
amendment #3987. That means he's just filled the tree on all avenues for disposing of the bill or modifying
the Finance Committee substitute amendment, including a cutting off the method of motion to commit to committee.
He asks for H.R.4150 to be brought up at 4:30, and the cloture vote on S.Amdt.3983 to be conducted at 5:45 p.m.
Senator McConnell asks for a revision to the UC, involving a route of parliamentary procedure
(proceed to vote on the McConnell amendment, then vote on final passage of HR 4150) in the event
cloture is not invoked on the Finance Committee substitute. Reid objected. Then there was no objection
to taking up HR 4150, and conducting the cloture vote to limit debate on S.Amdt.3983 at 5:45 p.m.
19:10: S.2457 is discharged from committee, amended, and passed on UC.
S.Res.434 - designating Feb 10-16 as Natl Drug Prevention and Education Week.
S.Res.443 - designating Feb 2008 as "Go Direct Month."
A few closing comments, focused on the stimulus package. He also names GOP Senators who should
support the Finance Committee Bill, against GOP party orders. McCain because his vote is important
to reduce reliance on foreign energy and combat global warming. Grassley too, for different reasons.
19:23: Senate adjourned until 9:30 - an hour of morning business - then resume consideration
of FISA. Roll call vote at 5:45 on the cloture motion to limit debate on economic stimulus. He
indicates there is no formal agreement on FISA just yet. While he has assurances from Senator McConnell
that certain amendments may be brought up for debate, the only thing Reid expressed regarding taking votes
on FISA-related amendments was his personal "hope." I note, again, the absence of a cloture motion to limit
debate on final passage of FISA. FISA will be slow walked through the weekend (and maybe beyond), I think.
Once started, the Senate will be inclined to stick to HR 4150 until it's disposed of. The only agreed FISA-action
tomorrow is debate, and that from 10:30 to 4:30. There is no agreement to vote on FISA amendments. Once the
economic stimulus package is under hot debate, and if cloture is invoked to limit debate on economic stimulus
S.Amdt.3983, the GOP will insist on staying with the 30 hours of post-cloture debate on S.Amdt.3983. FISA will be
set aside until economic stimulus is completed.
On balance, this week will turn into economic stimulus week if the economic stimulus cloture motion is
adopted. Very good sleight of hand by both parties!
Those Romney futures at TradeSports have tanked, bigtime! They're in the same range as Huckabee's futures.
Congratulations, President-to-be Hillary! Clinton. Meanwhile, I hold hope of an uptick in
the value of Romney futures, mindful that public opinion is fickle, and fate is rarely predictable.
Beldar has a well written analysis, supporting a vote for McCain.
Are we at war? And what is the political consequence of that for conservatives in this election?.
I managed to post the first comment. I won't vote for McCain, WOT or no WOT.
Lifted verbatim from
the Daily Digest, nine of twelve amendments have been introduced and are pending (3911 is essentially the bill) ...
- Rockefeller/Bond Amendment No. 3911, in the nature of a substitute.
- Whitehouse Amendment No. 3920, to provide procedures for compliance reviews.
- Feingold Amendment No. 3979, to provide safeguards for communications involving persons
inside the United States.
- Cardin Amendment No. 3930, to modify the sunset provision.
- Feingold/Dodd Amendment No. 3915, to place flexible limits on the use of information
obtained using unlawful procedures.
- Feingold Amendment No. 3913, to prohibit reserve [sic] targeting and protect the rights of
Americans who are communicating with people abroad.
- Feingold/Dodd Amendment No. 3912, to modify the requirements for certifications made prior
to the initiation of certain acquisitions.
- Dodd Amendment No. 3907, to strike the provisions providing immunity from civil liability
to electronic communication service providers for certain assistance provided to the
- Bond/Rockefeller Modified Amendment No. 3938 (to Amendment No. 3911), to include
prohibitions on the international proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
- Bond/Rockefeller Modified Amendment No. 3941 (to Amendment No. 3911), to expedite the
review of challenges to directives under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
The text of amendments "as modified" is included in
debate from February 5.
The full text of the February 5 letter from AG Mukasey and DNI McConnell also appears at that link.
There are two general scenarios for pushing the vote on final passage "out." One is propounding
a UC request that includes voting at a time certain (at objection, Reid would file the overdue cloture motion),
the other is to just have H.R.5140 overtake action on the floor. While there is agreement to limit debate time
on FISA bill amendments, the ability to take up H.R.5140, actually, now a unanimous consent agreement with a time
certain to do so, results in a situation where voting on FISA does NOT naturally follow the conclusion of debate
Debate on amendments to the FISA bill is scheduled from about 10:30 until 4:30 p.m., at which time the
Senate will switch gears into economic stimulus legislation.
On economic stimulus, the proposed statutory language is Reid's
S.Amdt. 3983. This is a full
substitute amendment for H.R.5140 ("Strike all after the first word and and insert the following").
This has been represented as generally the bill as reported out of the Finance Committee. I haven't
compared the two competing measures (House-passed H.R.5140 and S.Amdt.3983).
S.Amdt.3983 is being presented as a "take it or leave it" bill. The cloture vote will account for that.
Recall the objection to passing FISA on a take it or leave it basis? The primary justification
for objection was that it deprived the senators of their right to debate amendments. (See also
farm bill debate
rejection of cloture to limit debate on S.Amdt.3500, "the farm bill," for exactly this reason). I think
the "we can't amend" objection will be muted in the context of economic stimulus, and that cloture will be
invoked on the economic stimulus amendment.
-- 9:42 --
Senator Reid says it will be a big day, with "three presidentials voting at 5:45." He indicates that roll
call votes may occur during the day (those would be on FISA amendments). He says that the current top
priority of Congress is the economy, and speaks in favor of the changes the Finance Committee has made:
money to seniors, LIHEAP, extending unemployment benefits, federal mortgage guarantees.
Senator McConnell speaks on yesterday's storms and the damage they wrought.
9:45: Senator McConnell indicates an alternate path, one involving failure to adopt the cloture motion this
afternoon, the risk of veto from President Bush, and deviation from the Finance Committee bill. He advocates
revisions to the House-passed H.R.5140, that provide checks from the federal treasury to disabled veterans
and senior citizens, and eliminate the possibility of illegal immigrants getting checks. He will file an
amendment in that vein, that could be adopted if the Reid amendment is not passed.
"I send greetings to those celebrating the Lunar New Year, the Year of the Rat."
11:05: Morning business has expired. The Senate is formally on S.2248. Senator Hatch spoke (in morning
business) against Feingold's "reverse targeting" amendment, and Senator Rockefeller now uses debate time
to speak against Feingold's "bulk collection" amendment.
12:00: Senator Reid took the Senate into the subject of nominations, and absence of confirmations.
More finger pointing. The DEMs are being disingenuous here. If Bradbury is objectionable, then vote the
nomination down. Should be a piece of cake for the Democrats.
Andy McCarthy recommends that Senator McCain make FISA a highlight of his campaign,
I Offer Sen. McCain Some Advice?"
Sen. McCain should be calling [Hillary! and Obama] out. He should become the face of FISA reform,
forcefully argue why we need [retroactive immunity] so badly, and shame the Democratic candidates into taking a
clear position. Assuming they side with their base, McCain will have graphically shown in
a very concrete way that it would be irresponsible to put one of them, rather than him, in
charge of protecting the nation.
12:27: On the Senate floor, Senator Session intends to get back to the FISA subject, but first
rebuts Senator Durbin's speech about waterboarding and objections to confirm Bradbury's nomination.
I object to the characterization made by Senator Sessions, that the Senate considered an amendment to
prohibit waterboarding, and rejected it. See
S.Amdt.5088, which recites:
The Secretary of State shall notify other parties to the Geneva Conventions that--
should any United States person to whom the Geneva Conventions apply be subjected
to any of the following acts, the United States would consider such act to constitute a
punishable offense under common Article 3 and would act accordingly. Such acts, each of
which is prohibited by the Army Field Manual include forcing the person to be naked,
perform sexual acts, or pose in a sexual manner; applying beatings, electric shocks, burns,
or other forms of physical pain to the person; waterboarding the person; using dogs on the
person; inducing hypothermia or heat injury in the person; conducting a mock execution of
the person; and depriving the person of necessary food, water, or medical care.
I opined, when it was offered, that the amendment was tactically stupid as a means to forbid waterboarding.
Not only did it bundle a number of activities, it also doesn't forbid anything. It aims to compel
the Secretary of State to communicate with foreign nations. Now that amendment is frequently touted
as standing for the proposition that "the Senate considered an amendment to forbid waterboarding, and
On a totally different subject, here is Senator Smith of Oregon showing up in the Congressional Record,
without speaking from the floor, eighteen times!!
The Matthew Shepard Act of 2007.
--- FISA ---
A speech from Senator Chambliss on retroactive immunity, then into quorum call at 13:06.
The Specter/Whitehouse (substitution) and Feinstein (change venue) amendments, each of which
is accorded two hours of debate, have not been made pending. Nor has Feinstein's "exclusivity" amendment.
With economic stimulus to become the business of the Senate at 4:30 (by unanimous consent), it's fairly
clear FISA will not obtain a vote today.
13:35: Senator Isakson takes the Senate out of quorum call, and into the subject of economic stimulus.
Senator Reed (RI) picks up at 13:42, speaking in morning business at on the subject of the economy.
13:55: Senator Hutchison takes the floor. Senator Bond negotiates division of time between FISA and
morning business. Senator Hutchison start to beat the "looming deadline" drum. She also asserts the
telecoms are at risk of catastrophic liability awards. (Yaaaaawn)
So, explain to me how the SSCI bill, which allows the government to be sued, is GOOD, but substituting
the government for the telecoms is BAD. Throw up all sorts of arguments, and see which ones stick.
Senator Hutchison is speaking very haltingly, as though she doesn't understand, or else lacks
conviction in the positions she's advocating.
14:16: Senator Rockefeller takes time on the underlying bill. There is no time limit here.
He advocates rejection of all three amendments that deal with retroactive immunity. Senator Specter
is scheduled to present the "substitution" amendment at 3:30 this afternoon. Senator Rockefeller
concludes his speech at 14:39.
14:58: Senator Feinstein rises to introduce here "exclusivity" amendment, #3910. She describes
negotiations with other Senators regarding amending her amendment, which ultimately she could not agree to.
She is willing to provide a 30 day exception from the exclusivity requirement.
She also causes her "venue change" amendment #3919, to remove cases from civil courts to the FISC, to be
pending. There is no debate, just making the amendment pending. She concluded at 15:03.
15:04: Senator Cardin notes that his amendment (4 year sunset) will obtain a vote, soon. I'm not
going to bate my breath. 15:15: Well I'll be dipped. Voting begins on Cardin's "4 year sunset" amendment.
Vote results will be posted in the "list of amendments" at the top of the page.
15:42A praise ceremony for Senator Inouye on the occasion of his casting his 15,000th vote.
Ceremony ends at 16:03, and the Senate enters quorum call.
16:07: Senator Specter calls up Specter/Whitehouse S.Amdt.3927 (substitution). He notes two hours
are set aside to debate this, but there are 24 minutes of time before the Senate moves to economic stimulus.
16:28: Rockefeller - "In spite of my eloquence, I can't address this amendment in 2 minutes."
Bond - "The bipartisan [SSCI] bill permits suits to go forward against the government and government
employees; the Congress [Intelligence Committee] was notified; the president has Article II powers to
conduct the surveillance."
16:30: The Senate moves to economic stimulus.
-- 18:11 --
The cloture motion on the motion to limit debate on the Finance Committee economic stimulus package
(S.Amdt. 3983), on a take-it-or-leave-it basis,
was REJECTED, on a
GOP Aye votes: Coleman, Collins, Dole, Domenici, Grassley, Smith, Snowe, and Specter
Not voting: The maverick.
Senator Reid changed his vote to Nay, in order to enter a motion to reconsider, and did enter a motion to reconsider.
The cloture motion essentially came one vote short, not two.
Senator Reid will discuss debate and vote agreements for the near future with Senator McConnell, and
suggests the absence of a quorum.
19:33: The Senate stands in recess until 10:30 a.m. tomorrow. No announced details for
legislative action, but Senator Reid will be recognized at 10:30.
- H.R.3541 - A bill relating to the Do-not-call registry,
was passed on UC.
- S.2596 -
A bill to rescind funds appropriated by the Consolidated Appropriations Act,
2008, for the City of Berkeley, California, and any entities located in such city, and to
provide that such funds shall be transferred to the Operation and Maintenance, Marine Corps
account of the Department of Defense for the purposes of recruiting
- Injunction of secrecy removed from treaty document 110-14 - International convention against doping in sport, read the
first time and re-referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations
Trivia: Having gone into recess instead of adjournment, calendar day Feb.7 is legislative day Feb. 6.
On the subject of economic stimulus, see
S.Amdts. 3989-4008. Tax code makes my eyes glaze over, but economic stimulus lies in federal tax code.
On the subject of FISA, there has still not been a cloture motion to limit debate on final passage.
Neither bill is poised for passage this week. I presume the discussion starting at 10:30 this morning will
include some scheduling clues, as well as a scripted exchange on the substantive negotiations relating to
the economic stimulus proposals.
-- 10:34 --
Senator Reid indicates that there is no mutually agreeable way forward on the stimulus package, but
negotiations are ongoing. He says that FISA must finish this week. He hopes to have FISA finished today,
if not today, then tomorrow. FISA has to be finished this week, says Reid. [Where's the cloture
motion that would insure voting on final passage "at a time certain"?]
It would be good if economic stimulus was completed today, but may stretch out to next week Tuesday, due to
[parliamentary] procedural issues (i.e., somebody may use stalling to apply pressure). He indicates the
importance of passing an economic stimulus package soon, because we are in economically troubled times, including
national and international "fear" of inflation. Into quorum call, Senator McConnell is not in the chamber.
10:45 Senator Corker notes that Congress spending 150 billion dollars is more for political effect than
economic effect. Yup. True that. Buying votes. Sending back money the government never should have extracted
in the first place? Or borrowing money, with the public to pay it back (future taxation) later?
He says a majority of Senators know it is a political stunt. Say it isn't so! Well, he's one out of 100.
10:54: Senator Mikulski - "our dollar is worth a box of kleenex." Ha. And a fifth of milk too. She's
frustrated with the Senate and parliamentary procedure, insomuch as it's slowing passage of the economic
stimulus package. Cry me a river. Jobs leave states and the US when costs and regulatory burdens are lower
elsewhere. Get a clue.
Hehe. She says "one vote stands in the way of passing economic stimulus." Must be Corker. Either
that, or she's referring to last evening's cloture vote being one short of adoption.
Tapegate slogs on, in yet another venue (Brinkema's court, not Kennedy's or Roberts').
"C.I.A. Destroyed Tapes as Judge
Sought Interrogation Data" - NYT
More at JURIST:
Moussaoui prosecutor may have known about CIA interrogation tapes during trial
In the "I told you so" department (See "Establishing
Military Commissions" at 16:27 on Sept 28, where I said, "Contrary to McCain's prevaricating, waterboarding and stress
positions are permitted. Read the statute, it's in there in relatively plain language. Interrogation is permitted to the
extent it does not violate 18 USC 2340(2) or 18 USC 113."), the White House utters the same conclusion:
is legal, White House says - LA Times.
A good question from the press (for a change) in
Press Briefing by Tony Fratto -
February 6, 2008.
Q Just to clarify, so you're saying that it's not torture and you're saying it's effective
-- then why is it not currently authorized, waterboarding?
Director Hayden, in testimony today, says he's not sure waterboarding would be lawful under current statutes.
"CIA Boss: Waterboarding May Be Illegal" -
Lara Jakes Jordan (AP)
Hayden said waterboarding was legal in 2002 and 2003
12:30: Quorum call/recess No debate or voting on FISA, yet today. Also, no reason given for delay.
Odd, in light of the hard-fought UC agreement of a week ago; and the universal expression by all sides of
the urgency of passage.
Romney to suspend his campaign. So much for an uptick in those futures I'd "invested" in.
Good thing it was only play money!
Romney speaking at CPAC - he accounts: his 4 million votes to McCain's 4.7 million, his eleven states to McCain's
thirteen, but McCain has a substantially greater number of delegates. Romney is stepping aside for the good of the
country, says he, because the Democrats can't be trusted to prosecute the war in Iraq, and the war on terror.
Good tactical move by Romney, looking past 2008 and toward 2012. If McCain is nominated, and loses in November,
1) it's not Romney's fault, and 2) Romney didn't lose a presidential election.
Audio of Romney speech
Audio of McCain speech
14:24: CSPAN2 indicates that the DEMs and GOP have reached an agreement on economic stimulus, likely
to pass today. The deal is essentially the language that McConnell offered yesterday. All players (except Corker)
are jiggy with it.
-- 14:45 Economic Stimulus --
Senator Reid sets aside FISA, and introduces an amendment on economic stimulus. 20 minutes of debate
on S.Amdt.4010, followed by votes, with the time of voting to be determined later (Senators are out and
about the town). Senator McConnell adds himself and others as co-sponsors. Glorious bipartisanship.
Easy passage guaranteed.
14:55: Senator Reid requests adding an amendment that extends unemployment benefits. Senator Gregg
objected. Pandering for the unemployment vote. A similar exchange occurs with a LIHEAP amendment. The same
exchange with an energy-tax-credit amendment. A similar exchange occurs with an amendment that adds mortgage-revenue
bonds for states. A similar exchange with a food stamp amendment.
That's it for populating the Record with pander points. Short period of debate, then either vote or quorum call.
Voting scheduled for 4:10 p.m, with time divided equally between the two sides. Time allocated to certain
The Democrats are pointing out that they needed only ONE more GOP vote, in order to get the items they
wanted in the economic stimulus package. Senator McCain, I think they are calling you.
S.Amdt.4010, negotiated economic stimulus, was
PASSED on a
91-6 vote. [98-1 initial prediction]
Nay votes: Allard, Coburn, Corker, Craig, Gregg, Hagel
Not voting: Clinton, Obama, Nelson (NE)
H.R.5140, economic stimulus, was
PASSED on a
81-16 vote. [96-1 initial prediction]
Nay votes: Allard, Barrasso, Coburn, Corker, Craig, Crapo, DeMint, Ensign, Enzi, Gregg, Hagel, Inhofe,
Kyl, Murkowski, Sessions, Shelby
Not voting: Clinton, Obama, Nelson (NE)
Senator Reid announces a plan on FISA, three recorded votes, and two voice votes on FISA. There is still a significant
amount of debate time remaining on FISA, about 6 hours, debate will run until Monday, with a vote on final passage
sometime on Tuesday. He mentions the cloture vote as well. With the time constraint, the House has to work quickly
or the law will expire.
Senator McConnell agrees with the general timing. Senator Reid indicates there will be two roll call votes, not three.
Senator Dorgan asks about the Indian Health Care Improvement Act, and says he thinks it can be finished in one day.
Senator Reid suggests that the Indian Health Care bill be debated tomorrow or Monday. I take this as another tell that
the plan all along, regarding FISA, was to push final passage into next week. The past couple days included over 6
hours of quorum call, etc., and could have been used to complete debate.
17:11: The first FISA amendment up for completion of debate is Feingold's 3915, "use limits" of data.
Feingold's 3915 and 3913 to be voted on this evening.
18:37: In recess again, until 9:30 tomorrow.
On the convergence of the Boumediene and Bismullah/Parhat cases, read
Detainees resist any more delay. The procedural posture is a government request
to stay an order of the Circuit Court (the same order that remains standing as the Circuit Court
denied rehearing en banc), pending appeal of that order to SCOTUS.
Not counting, but how many times did we hear that the economic stimulus bill was destined for a
House/Senate conference? Keep an eye out for that conference. Ha!
The House agreed to the Senate amendment to H.R. 5140, Recovery
Rebates and Economic Stimulus for the American People Act of 2008.
Corker's speech is at 1. Stimulus Package.
It's an exceptionally good speech (and I admit my bias as being in accord with his point of view).
... I find it truly hard to believe there is such a rush in this Congress to take
$150 billion and sprinkle it around America as if we feel that is going to do something to
stimulate our economy.
I know that much of this--again, I am not saying by any measure this relates to every
Senator, but I know much of this is politically motivated, to make sure people in our
country think we are doing something, even if it is wrong. I know this is an election year.
In some ways, to some constituent groups, this might build political favor. I certainly
have not had private conversations with every Senator, so that should be noted. But I have
to tell my colleagues, in private, I have not found one Senator--not one--who believes what
we are getting ready to do is going to do anything to stimulate this economy. Again,
economists around the country are mentioning the fact daily that this will have little or
no effect. ...
I will close with this, and I said this the last time I spoke. There are children all
over America today in classrooms. We have some who got up this morning who are in front of
us--our pages--at 5 in the morning and went to class at 6. They come here every day and
work with us. They are looking to their parents, their teachers, their coaches, their
Sunday school teachers to help teach them life principles and to help make decisions that
hopefully will cause their lives to be more whole and more full, and hopefully from time to
time they look to those of us in Washington to do the same--their elected officials.
I hope, and I say this with all due respect to the Members in this body who have a
different opinion--this is solely my opinion, and I have deep respect for the other 99
Members of this body, but from my own personal vantage point, I hope they are not looking
at us this week. I do not think there are many Members in this body who believe this $150
billion these young people and their children will pay back is being spent in a meaningful
way. I think many Members of this body realize this is an election-year stunt, if you will,
to make it look as if we are addressing a problem when, in my humble opinion, we are not.
I think the children should look at the legislators ALL THE TIME. So should the adults, but
that's another problem. Senator Corker should WANT the children to see crass political actions
for what they are. Children's learning shouldn't be limited to learning good by observing good,
but should include learning street smarts by observing skilled con-men in action.
The lesson, children, is that the decisions Congress makes are in Congress's interest, reelection
and maintaining a grasp on the reins of power. Sometimes those interests are in your favor,
other times they are not.
the legislative calendar, here are the modified sections of the UC agreement that pertain to FISA and
floor action leading to its passage:
No votes today -or- Monday
- on Friday, February 8, and Monday, February 11, 2008, all remaining
amendments be debated and all time used.
- on Tuesday, February 12, 2008, at a time to be determined,
the Senate proceed to vote in relation to the amendments in
an order specified later, with two minutes of debate prior to each vote ...
- upon disposition of all amendments, the Senate vote on the motion to
invoke cloture on S. 2248 [cloture motion hasn't been filed yet]
- if cloture is invoked on the bill [it will be, easily],
- the Senator from Connecticut (Mr. Dodd) be recognized to speak for up to 4 hours
[this is a courtesy time extension,
Rule XXII limits
an individual senator to one hour of post-cloture debate]
- the Senator from Wisconsin (Mr. Feingold) for up to 15 minutes; provided further,
- recognition of the Managers [Rockefeller and Bond] for up to 10 minutes each,
- the Senator from Vermont (Mr. Leahy) and
the Senator from Pennsylvania (Mr. Specter) for 20 minutes each,
- the Senate then proceed to vote on passage of the bill, as amended, if amended
, only debate. Typical Senate schedule
on an urgent
matter. The cloture motion intended to be voted on Tuesday is timely filed,
if filed today. Tuesday will be stacked vote day, followed by speechifying, followed by passing
the bill in basically the DNI-prescribed form.
Too, so much for "All Senators should know that we have to finish FISA this week. Hopefully, we
can finish it today and, if not, tomorrow. We have to finish it this week." Ummm, I guess not.
-- 9:35 --
Senator Reid recapitulates no roll call votes today or Monday, but that 8 hours of debate remain.
He gives no clue as to Senate business following, only that there are numerous recesses and work
periods, and "lots to be done." He asks that senators wishing to speak alert the staff in advance,
so the staff doesn't have to remain in the chamber.
Senator Bond speaks in terms of getting approval from the House - which I take as excluding
09:54: I've heard some cockamamie arguments over the years, but the one that failure
to immunize telecoms from civil process for snooping will result in them being subjected to increased
risk of terror attack is particularly lame. Infrastructure is always a target, and its a good
bet that terrorists view all the US telecoms as being in cahoots with the government.
President Bush Discusses Pending Presidential Nominations - Feb 7, 2008.
The Senate has sat on these nominations to the Court of Appeals for nearly 600
days. And in some cases, the Senate has imposed a new and extra constitutional standard,
where nominees who have the support of the majority of the Senate can be blocked by a
minority of obstructionists.
I'd make a minor adjustment to that. The Senate (thanks in large part to Senator McCain and his
Gang-of-14 (buttheads)) has imposed the minority obstruction standard on ALL nominees. That it
isn't exercised for some nominees simply means those nominees enjoy adequate supermajority support.
12:12: Senator Sessions wrapping up a speech expressing concerns about Russian activities,
including facilitating Iran's intentions and military capabilities.
12:28: After a 5 or 10 minute Quorum call, Senator Sessions returns and speaks of US interrogation
practices in general, that only one prisoner has been killed by US forces, and about waterboarding in particular.
He's impressed that that waterboarding is rare, and discontinued for 5 years, and disparages those who
talk of waterboarding as though it was or is a pervasive practice.
Waterboarding - it works, says he.
So I believe the Attorney General of the United States, after researching this matter
carefully, and after our intelligence agencies gave it thoughtful review, concluded we do
not need to have waterboarding now, that these three instances were justified.
-- 13:00 --
Senator Reid files the cloture motion to limit debate on final passage of S.2248. He asks and obtains UC, that
notwithstanding the time periods in Rule XXII, the cloture vote occur on disposition of the amendments per the
previous UC order. All that chatter is mere formality to coordinate cloture actions withing the earlier agreement.
Four Resolutions read and passed:
S.Res.432 - Urging International Community to provide the United Nations African Mission in Sudan with Utility and Tactical Helicopters
S.Con.Res.67 & 68 Establishing Joint Congressional Committee relating to inaugural ceremonies
H.Con.Res.273 - Recognizing 50th Anniversary of The National Academy of the Recording Arts and Sciences
Three bills read for the first time (second reading objected to):
S.2615 - to extend the PAA by an additional 15 days
S.2616 - to authorize certain programs
and activities in the forest service the department of the interior and the department of energy
to protect innocent Americans from violent crime in national parks
13:05: Senate stands adjourned until 2:00 p.m. Monday - resume S.2248
Senators should be prepared to vote as early as 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday
Feb 7 - House Discussion re: FISA
Representatives Blunt and Hoyer discuss handling of FISA in the House, and in particular the
ramifications of not passing a bill before the PAA expires next week Friday.
HOYER: It is the immunity issue that gives many concerns, and they want to look at that
carefully, and I think that's fair to do. Whether or not we will be able to do that next week, frankly,
I tell my friend, I am not sure. ...
Because I am concerned that we not have a gap, we are trying to assure ourselves, and believe we are
assured that there will not be a down time for our intelligence service should we not be able to reach
agreement either with the Senate or with ourselves in the time frame of next Friday. ...
In fact, I would suggest to my friend we could deal with the immunity issue, which looks back not at
present capacity nor future capacity, and resolve that issue in a separate bill if that was the concern
about going forward. I think that could be done relatively quickly.
250 Representatives, 55 Senators, and Vice President Cheney filed a brief in the Heller/Parker case.
Volkh: Congressional Brief in DC v. Heller. This
brief, unlike the brief of the Solicitor General, does not call for a standard of review that is deferential
to the District of Columbia law makers. Good summary of historical Congressional findings. I learned
some things about federal government action as the US entered WWII.
brief in plain text)
Nine Democratic Senators signed the brief. The rest must hold that firearms ownership isn't an
individual right. Republicans Ensign, Lugar and Warner sided with the majority of Democrats, and did
NOT sign. Democrats Baucus, Casey, Feingold, Johnson, Lincoln, Nelson (NE), Salazar, Tester and Webb signed.
The brief is also discussed at SCOTUSblog:
Cheney disagrees in D.C. gun case.